The Pretribulational Rapture

[Javanut]

I'm on the first flight out myself!!

[spirit1st]

Hopefully we are correct and i Also think ,Not very far off now!
Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

[Darrell]

Hello Gary
Havent heard from you in some time, hope you are well..

When understanding the book of Rev. There are three time pirods of 3 1/2 years

The first 3 1/2 is for conmpletion of the Gentile church, then the 7 years of Jacobs trouble starts The break is at the end of ch 6 and the beginning of ch 7, that also is when the wrath will start.

The great tribulation doesn't start till the days are shortoned Rev.8:12 and three woes are anounced.

[spirit1st]

I think the Wrath starts when satan is given power to deceive the nations!
the beginning is always where everything thing starts!
Many things appear nice at there start ,but quickly lead to Great problems!

The Great tribulation is no different!
i believe this is the beginning of the great tribulation!

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

of course he comes as a nice guy! tricking many!
When the great deception starts then i see that as the beginning

I am find , my kids are find ,everything appeares Good right now!

[Javanut]

the beginning is always where everything thing starts!

So true, so true...

[spirit1st]

The great tribulation is the WRATH of GOD! He will Never bring HIS wrath upon HIS children!
He teaches us never to be evil to our children . How Could our loving Father pour out HIS wrath on us!

[Darrell]

LET ME POINT OUT A FEW THINGS IN THE FIRST THREE CHAPTURES THE LETTERS TO THE CHURCHES NOW TO BE A PART OF THE CHURCH (BODY OF CHRIST) YOU HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN THERE ARE NO UNSAVED PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH SO THE LETTERS ARE WRUTTEN TO BORN AGAING PEOPLE BUT THERE ONLY A FEW THAT HEAR THE SPIRIT
AND OBAY THOSE THAT IS REFERED TO AS (HE) THEY WILL BE THE ONES THAT ARE RAPTURED, AND IN DANIEL 7:10 SAYS TRHAT NUMBER IS 10,000X10,000 AND IN REV, IT GIVE THE SAME NUMBER STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE
AND JUDE SAYS HE WILL COME WITH 10,000S OF HIS SAINTS
NOW I TELL YOU THAT NEMBER IS NOT AS LARGE AS THE PEOPLE IN THE USA

THE NUMBER MAY BE AS SMALL AS 20 - 50,000 OR LESSAND THE REST WILL HAVE THIER HEADS REMOVED
REV6:9=11

[spirit1st]

Most all the churches on earth have the elect in them and the called !
The elect go in the catching away!
many will be left who were called to be the elect! most will fall away!
I call what i believe the wrath of God! when it beginning we are raptured! I think it begins when power is give too the devil to deceive the whole world!
I do not mind if others disagree!
the whole story ends at rev. chapter 11
then tells the whole story a different way , started in chapter 12


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

[spirit1st]

Will HE do less for His children!
Isa 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

[Darrell]

SIR THERE ARE TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE ON THE EARTH

THE SAVED AND THE UNSAVED THERE IS NO THIRD GROUP THE ALMOST SAVED

AND WHEN GOD IS TALKING TO THE CHURCH HE IS TALKING TO THE SAVED, WASHED IN THE BLOOD BODY OF CHRIST.

AND OUT OF THAT GROUP THERE ARE THE FEW THAT LISTEN TO GOD AND MOVE AWAY FROM TRADITIONS BEING TOUGHT IN THE CHURCH AND FOLLOW HIM.

THEREFORE THE 10 VIRGINS(UNDEFILED) 5 WISE AND 5 FOOLISH, BUT ALL ARE WASHED CLEAN OF SIN IN THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

THERE ARE NO UNSAVED IN THE BODY OF CHRIST, NOR ALLMOST SAVED

IN HEBREWS IT TALKS ABOUT THE ONES THAT LAY THIER SALVATION DOWN AND WALK AWAY FROM IT AND CAN NOT RETURN
AND IN MATT. IT SAYS THAT THE LORD WILL TELL THEM TO GO AWAY FROM HIM HE NEVER KNEW THEM.
GOD DOES NOT TALK ABOUT THE ALMOST SAVED (PEOPLE THAT WALK WITH HIM FOR A WHILE) HE SPEAKS OF ABSOLUTES, HE THAT ENDURES TILL THE END SHALL BE SAVED,

SO EVERY ONE IF US THAT IS STILL ALIVE , I GUESS YOU COULD SAY WE ARE THE (ALLMOST SAVED) BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TRUELY SAVED TILL WE FINISH THE COURSE, AND HAVE LEFT THIS LIFE FOLLOWING CHRIST RIGHT TO THE END.

LIKE PAUL SAID I HAVE FOUGHT A GOOD FIGHT, I HAVE FINISHED MY COURSE, I HAVE KEPT THE FAITH;
HENCEFORTH THERE IS LAID UP FOR ME A CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,

[spirit1st]

The elect are those Born into the family of God

The called hear the LORD , Feel the Holy Ghost , but have not given there lifes over too the LORD!

The world made up of the ones who have not been born -again, many are the called and some of Dead spiritually and have lose the faith GOD put within them! the called , still have faith?
Some of the called accept the LORD later on?
Some fall ways 100%?

Mat 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Mat 20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Mat 20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

People can be born-again on there death beds! Never having suffered as we have!
I thank God HE has mercy on these!

[spirit1st]

Salvation is always open too any willing to accept HIS gospel as Truth And HIM into there hearts as LORD and Master!
As long as there is Faith left in us ? HE is willing!
Of course Faith can grow in us or die in us!

[Darrell]

[quote="spirit1st"]I think the Wrath starts when satan is given power to deceive the nations!


GARY GOD DOES NOT GIVE SATAN ANY THING BUT THE TIME TO PROVE THAT THERE IS NOT ONE GOOD THING IN HIMSELF,

SATAN TAKES IT BY FORCE IF NEED BE, BUT MAN IS THE ONE THAt allows him to do the things he does'

JESUS SAID HE GAVE US POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE, AND SO WE HAVE BEEN LOOSEING SATAN

AND HE SAID THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVALE AGAINST THE CHURCH,

THE WORD PREVALE MEANS TO STAND UP TO.

AND THE, CHURCH SHOULD HAVED DRIVEN THE DEVIL AND TORE UP THE GATES AND THREW THEM INTO HELL
IN ROMANS IT SAYS THAT HE GAVE US TRHE POWER TO BECOME THE SON'S OF GOD, NOW HESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD AND ONLY ONE, WHAT SHOULD 600 MILLION SONS OF GOD BE ABLE TO DO?

IT SAYS BE NOT ASHAMED AT HIS COMMING , I ASKED WHY WOULD WE BE ASHAMED AND HE SAID BECAUSE IT WILL BE REVIELED AT THAT MOMMENT WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO AND HOW LIITLE WE DID.

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[spirit1st]

God wants us to respect those in Power ! not for what kind of spirit they are ! But there place as we would a policemen! He could be a very evil spirit! But we must respect Him for being a policeman!